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nice…that’s helpful. How do we counter this
You can’t drive the resistivity of water to zero, but 70% efficiency is attainable in practice. This means you need 1.7vdc/0.7 or 2.4vdc across each cell. Any more is purely generating waste heat and water vapor. For best efficiency at 12V, you really need a design with multiple isolated cells in series, about 5 of them. From what I see, the majority of folks don’t have this configuration. Sid Young is on the right track. His gas measurements still show evidence of some water vapor though.
You clearly don’t have to boil water to vaporize it. Recall vapor pressure. Also, some might remember those electric vaporizers you Mom put in your room when you had a bad cold. Ever take one apart? It’s just two electrodes in water with 120V AC going into it making heat via resistivity of the water. Likewise, any HHO cell with more than 1.7vdc across it is generating heat and water vapor. The higher the voltage above this threshold, the more heat and less efficiency. (continued)
It turns out that it doesn’t matter what voltage you use to pass the voltage through the water, as long as it’s over 1.7vdc. The resistivity of the water depends on the electrolyte. The power going into heating the water is about (V-1.7)*current. The 1.7vdc disassociation voltage does not contribute to the heating of the water. It is a threshold voltage that must be overcome for electrolysis to take place. Anything above that goes into heating the water in the cell. (continued)
33.8 liters of HHO requires 19.3E4 coulombs worth of electrons via electrolysis, or 5.78E3 coulombs/liter. If you want to produce one liter in a minute, it takes 5.78E3/60s = 96 amps. (continued)
Sure. Basic electro chemistry. It takes 2 added electrons per hydrogen molecule to reduce water: H2O+2e- => H2 + 1/2O2. Electrons come from electrical current. 1 amp = 1 Coulomb/second. Faraday’s number, which is Mole/Columb, is 9.6474E4 coulombs/mole. So it will take 2×9.6474E4 coulombs to produce one mole of H2, which is 22.4 liters at standard temperature and pressure. There’s also 0.5 mole of oxygen (O2) produced for a net yield of 33.8 liters of H2 and O2 gas, aka HHO. (continued)
could someone please tell me if i can use my ignition coil pack as a pulsing step up transformer??
If you use a water trap and are seeing still 1 liter per minute at say 15 amps, then what else could it be other than HHO? Please site your sources, because your 96 amps thing is hard to believe. Also, cells that start off cold at 15 amps, how would water vapor be created with no initial heat? Don’t you need to practically boil the water to create any significant amount of water vapor?
The PHD I work with was inspired by HHO rage and ran some calculations today. Fact is, you need 96 amps of current to produce 1 liter of HHO gas per minute. If you are seeing 1 liter/min with a current less than 96 amps, you are seeing water vapor from the heating of the water (inefficiency.) Previously thought my 12V 9.5amp unit created 750ml of HHO/min, but in reality, 100ml is HHO and the rest is water vapor. This is why it *seems* more HHO is produced at higher electrolyte temps.
This makes sense. A good efficient cell produces more H2+O2 gas, and less heat, and thus less water vapor. A very big chunk of the mileage gain people are reporting is from putting water vapor into the engine, not hydrogen gas. US used water vapor injection in WWII to get more horse power in airplanes. The trade-off is engine life is shortened significantly. (continued….)
Only 12% increase? how come people are reporting increases in 80-100% in trucks? I thought you had a good efficient cell?
Not yet. Soon
Mr. Zero, do you have any thing hooked up on this toyota to adjust the o2 sensors and what are the best mpg you have gotten out of this so far?
mpg increase on any vehicle on the net…just one thats not selling it…just one…does it work or not
& that is just bloody wrap a 10mm pneumatic line around the tank this will heat it up with the radiator and 10mm or 1/4in the US measurement is too small 2 really add too much heat and if it did the highest temp it would get is 180 degrees but if you put a electronic valve you could shut it off when car is almost operating temp
heater with the tank seems 2 be an issue i being a mechanical fitter with doing some stuff and also being a qualified mechanical engineer… with heating being the issue why not do the same thing with the finger joint machine with the glue line
I was just thinking that it may be useful to test any optimal temperature for when the cell is running (i.e., 180 F). If it is the case that this is safely attainable, it may be more efficient to have a thermostat and coil heater inside that will heat the water until the optimal temperature.
I suggest that you use a check valve ( from auto part store ) to prevent the back pressure from the intake to the bubler or the cell.
Seems that the replies aren’t working right. My comment to people already doing this, is from someone asking about real tests, as far as fuel mileage, done from the hydrogen mix, with and without.
Something I’ve learned about hydrogen to be taken to note. It’s 2 atoms, with one atom oxygen. One atom of hydrogen (orthohydrogen) is a fast, powerful burnig gas, and parahydrogen (slow burning and less powerful). Create (very tedious), or get a magnetic coil, pulse it with a low frequency signal at the top of the generator to split these, and create a mix to aid in any detonation problems. Get the windings from inside of a cheap or used alternator? Doing so, it slows the burn rate.
Also, creating a magnetic field (coil) at the top of your cell, pulsing it with voltage, will split the hydrogen atoms again, creating a slower burning gas called parahydrogen, mix it with the orthohydrogen that the cells creates, which is the more explosive gas, the two will combine in the burn process, raising the “octane” level, and aid in any detonation problems.
If you do your research, there are people already doing this.
Heat tape wrapped around the tank with a fiberglass blanket plugged in like you would a tank heater for the coolant? Havent tried it myself just have been thinking of the inevitable for this winter even though it’s moderate in winter here but still freezes to 20″ for a frost line. Then all you do is unplug, start the engine and it should be room temp or better. Heat tapes are wrapped in a coating so it might be possible to put inside as well but probably not a good idea.
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just new to this so really enjoying your tests
how about glow plugs as used in diesel engines? if they were installed in a space in the bottom of the tank, would they heat the water fast enough to help?